On the surface it feels like the Oil are getting ripped off. But when I think about it I guess it makes sense because Gags doesn't look like he fits on this team with the emergence of RNH and Lander. I bet he rips it up with Kane and makes all his haters in yeg look like fools!
Montador just signed there. I don't think that Chicago wants to make potential free agents think they are going to be flipped to the hinterlands right after they start.
Gagner might have more long term upside than Monty but Monty has turned into a pretty darn good D-man after his time in buffalo
@Terry Assets: Makes the most of his ability and has the versatility to be used in virtually any game situation. Shoots the puck with aplomb and can also deliver big hits. Has played wing in the NHL. Flaws: Sometimes has trouble with the decision-making process in the defensive zone, as he's prone to making mistakes with the puck. That can prevent him from seeing big minutes. Career Potential: Versatile depth defenseman.
Four years @ $2.75m seems like a good value second pairing guy. I have no faith that Tambo can do anything useful.
Carter and Richards were both on the same team. Philly decided to make a huge splash and they may well pay the price in the future when people look at them when they are FAs
San Jose had to do something. That squad has been close but no cigar for so long that they needed to take a stab while the core is still young enough.
I think that, because Chicago lost so many players after their cup run which means that they have to look for help from the FA market, they are being much more careful about this kind of thing.
That's a fair point. My thinking was that stranger things have happened than trading a guy who just signed his deal. Probably not the best PR move a team can make, but who really cares what happens to Chicago?
I still openly question Oilers management's desire to compete this year. It seems to me even they might be surprised at how well the team has progressed, perhaps far beyond their expectations. You'd think they would have done something to firm up our D by now if they were serious about a playoff spot (which I absolutely believe is required for us to keep moving forward, even if we get blown out in the first round).
I'm a huge Gagner fan so I hope he stays put. Sam's just starting to get it together as we've seen the last couple of games. Being as small as we are, the best strategy would be to have three offensive lines, thus spreading out the damage and tiring out the "big" teams because they now have to deal with three distinct threats. Sam, PRV and Omark would give us that 3rd line kick. Now don't give me that "they didn't work last year" crap either. Each guy is a year older and as a unit they'd be deadly (deep down inside you know this to be true).
Sam's also a key PP guy when given the right teammates (I'm not talking about fucking useless guys like Belanger). The other key to deterring teams "Running our Show (Bob Stauffer™)" is to have a deadly PP. Sam on top of his game would allow us to construct a killer second unit. We could be a team that opponents would be scared shitless to take penalties against.
You came to a website called Jeanshorts and Baggedmilk looking for professionalism? Either it's your first visit, or you're fucking retarded. Your colouring book is in the mail.
I'm not expecting proffesional, baggedmilk... actually, I'm not expecting anything at all... and still, what you spew is dissapointing! How do you even do that? Its amazing! like dividing by 0!
Actually, I think you should be directing your venom at Rumour Tumor. BM is just an innocent website owner posting up stuff for monetary gain. Who the hell can argue with that?
I like the rumours you guys post if nothing else its something to talk about. I think that anonymous doesnt understand the difference between "facts" and "rumours."
Come on David, do you think management assumed that all our top D would get hurt again, and that Cam Barker would continue to shit all over himself (they probably should have seen that one, but they took the gamble). This team would look so much different if Whitney had human bones in his feet rather than balsa wood, and it appeared to everyone that Taylor Fedun was destined to at least be in the line up on opening night. That potentially pushes gilbert down to the second pairing, Peckham down to the third and/or AHL, and already the D looks vastly improved.
Plus they had Petry, Teubert, Chorney, etc, waiting in the wing, who I'm sure management is waiting to see if they can step up and contribute to the big club. I know, god forbid a franchise tries to build from within using the players they've developed and drafted over the last how ever many years (Teubert not withstanding).
And it's not like they can just say "Hey, we need a D-man" and some other team will be like "Okay here you go" (well, maybe Lombardi). Who do we give up? The only players of any real value are guys like Gagner, PRV, Omark, etc, who, as you pointed out, should probably not be given up on yet, and realistically you're only picking those guys up based on their potential, so what kind of return is that going to net you, especially early on in the season? Or you trade Hemsky, whose value is so low right now that you'd almost certainly have to throw in a few of those guys I just mentioned, which again, I'm sure would end up being too steep a price to pay for the return.
I understand that we're all frustrated from watching so much shitty hockey the last 25 years (feels like it anyway), and yeah, okay, I will concede that for parts of the last two seasons it did feel like they really wanted those high draft picks, but realistically it's more of them looking at the situation and going "Let's not make any drastic decisions. This isn't going to happen over night. Let's build it slowly, acquire some sick young players, groom the ones we already have, cut off the dead weight, make a couple of depth signings and eventually everything will start falling into place". I'd be curious to know how many big trades Chicago made in the first two years after drafting Toews and Kane and Seabrook and Keith. Probably not many.
I know people are getting anxious after seeing what kind of potential this team has, but we're still at least a year or two, if not more away from being able to watch consistent, good, playoff caliber hockey. No magic trade is going to fix that unless they mortgage the farm. And no one wants that.
@JS - Our "Top D" consisted of Gilbert, Smid, and Whitney at the start of the year. While I'd admit NOBODY saw Petry coming, the rest were/are far from ready for prime time. The reason we've been in alot of games so far is because Renney has adopted Krueger's Swiss strategy, which employs the entire team in a defensive role to cover for a severe lack of D strength.
Sutton is a coke machine and Barker? Well I don't know what the shit is with that guy. Besides, they're irrelevant to any discussion regarding "NHL quality" D-man anyways. My thought is the team figured this was another "development" (read: tanking) year, and filled up empty spots just to ice a team (everybody around these parts knows how I feel about tanking so I won't go down that shit-laden road again).
But somewhere along the way RNH got way better than anybody thought he'd be for a rookie and Eberle starts ripping it up. Hall keeps on doing the "Hulk Smash" thing and Potter and Petry end up being legit.
If we were serious about competing this year, we should have anticipated some level of injury on the back end and bought a legit D-man over the summer. Failing that, when it became apparent the team was better than they thought and Barker went out, heaven and earth should have been made to acquire somebody for the top four on the back end.
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Mark Lee calls him Steve Matador. True story.
On the surface it feels like the Oil are getting ripped off. But when I think about it I guess it makes sense because Gags doesn't look like he fits on this team with the emergence of RNH and Lander. I bet he rips it up with Kane and makes all his haters in yeg look like fools!
What kind of dman is Montador?
It'll take more than Montador.
Gagner has no trade value now don't think Chicago would give up Montador
Montador just signed there. I don't think that Chicago wants to make potential free agents think they are going to be flipped to the hinterlands right after they start.
Gagner might have more long term upside than Monty but Monty has turned into a pretty darn good D-man after his time in buffalo
@rubbertrout,
I would agree with you if it weren't for Carter, Richards and Setoguchi getting traded.
If I'm not mistaken, I think Setoguchi was traded right after signing a new deal with the Shark.
@Terry
Assets: Makes the most of his ability and has the versatility to be used in virtually any game situation. Shoots the puck with aplomb and can also deliver big hits. Has played wing in the NHL.
Flaws: Sometimes has trouble with the decision-making process in the defensive zone, as he's prone to making mistakes with the puck. That can prevent him from seeing big minutes.
Career Potential: Versatile depth defenseman.
Four years @ $2.75m seems like a good value second pairing guy. I have no faith that Tambo can do anything useful.
That looks grate to me! Oilers need dmen that hit people. I hope tamby can pull out a rabbit from his hat
Stop making up bullshit rumors fucktards
Please god noo0o0o0 I would rather miss the playoffs again than give away Gags at his low point.
@ baggedmilk
Carter and Richards were both on the same team. Philly decided to make a huge splash and they may well pay the price in the future when people look at them when they are FAs
San Jose had to do something. That squad has been close but no cigar for so long that they needed to take a stab while the core is still young enough.
I think that, because Chicago lost so many players after their cup run which means that they have to look for help from the FA market, they are being much more careful about this kind of thing.
That's a fair point. My thinking was that stranger things have happened than trading a guy who just signed his deal. Probably not the best PR move a team can make, but who really cares what happens to Chicago?
Am I right?
I would rather package gagner and possibly a 2nd round pick or prospect defenseman for Leddy. He would fit better for our long term plans
NO FUCKING WAY THE HAWKS DEAL WITH THE COILERS!!!!!!!
GO FLAMES!!!!!!!!!
I still openly question Oilers management's desire to compete this year. It seems to me even they might be surprised at how well the team has progressed, perhaps far beyond their expectations. You'd think they would have done something to firm up our D by now if they were serious about a playoff spot (which I absolutely believe is required for us to keep moving forward, even if we get blown out in the first round).
I'm a huge Gagner fan so I hope he stays put. Sam's just starting to get it together as we've seen the last couple of games. Being as small as we are, the best strategy would be to have three offensive lines, thus spreading out the damage and tiring out the "big" teams because they now have to deal with three distinct threats. Sam, PRV and Omark would give us that 3rd line kick. Now don't give me that "they didn't work last year" crap either. Each guy is a year older and as a unit they'd be deadly (deep down inside you know this to be true).
Sam's also a key PP guy when given the right teammates (I'm not talking about fucking useless guys like Belanger). The other key to deterring teams "Running our Show (Bob Stauffer™)" is to have a deadly PP. Sam on top of his game would allow us to construct a killer second unit. We could be a team that opponents would be scared shitless to take penalties against.
This site has the most hilarious anonymous posts on the entire intarwebs.
@David S
*props*
dude your "blogs" make Richard Cloutier look professional
You came to a website called Jeanshorts and Baggedmilk looking for professionalism? Either it's your first visit, or you're fucking retarded. Your colouring book is in the mail.
If Montador puts on an Oilers jersey, Harvey The Hound should kill himself.
I'm not expecting proffesional, baggedmilk... actually, I'm not expecting anything at all... and still, what you spew is dissapointing! How do you even do that? Its amazing! like dividing by 0!
Actually, I think you should be directing your venom at Rumour Tumor. BM is just an innocent website owner posting up stuff for monetary gain. Who the hell can argue with that?
What's disappointing is that guy's spelling.
I like the rumours you guys post if nothing else its something to talk about. I think that anonymous doesnt understand the difference between "facts" and "rumours."
Come on David, do you think management assumed that all our top D would get hurt again, and that Cam Barker would continue to shit all over himself (they probably should have seen that one, but they took the gamble). This team would look so much different if Whitney had human bones in his feet rather than balsa wood, and it appeared to everyone that Taylor Fedun was destined to at least be in the line up on opening night. That potentially pushes gilbert down to the second pairing, Peckham down to the third and/or AHL, and already the D looks vastly improved.
Plus they had Petry, Teubert, Chorney, etc, waiting in the wing, who I'm sure management is waiting to see if they can step up and contribute to the big club. I know, god forbid a franchise tries to build from within using the players they've developed and drafted over the last how ever many years (Teubert not withstanding).
And it's not like they can just say "Hey, we need a D-man" and some other team will be like "Okay here you go" (well, maybe Lombardi). Who do we give up? The only players of any real value are guys like Gagner, PRV, Omark, etc, who, as you pointed out, should probably not be given up on yet, and realistically you're only picking those guys up based on their potential, so what kind of return is that going to net you, especially early on in the season?
Or you trade Hemsky, whose value is so low right now that you'd almost certainly have to throw in a few of those guys I just mentioned, which again, I'm sure would end up being too steep a price to pay for the return.
I understand that we're all frustrated from watching so much shitty hockey the last 25 years (feels like it anyway), and yeah, okay, I will concede that for parts of the last two seasons it did feel like they really wanted those high draft picks, but realistically it's more of them looking at the situation and going "Let's not make any drastic decisions. This isn't going to happen over night. Let's build it slowly, acquire some sick young players, groom the ones we already have, cut off the dead weight, make a couple of depth signings and eventually everything will start falling into place". I'd be curious to know how many big trades Chicago made in the first two years after drafting Toews and Kane and Seabrook and Keith. Probably not many.
I know people are getting anxious after seeing what kind of potential this team has, but we're still at least a year or two, if not more away from being able to watch consistent, good, playoff caliber hockey. No magic trade is going to fix that unless they mortgage the farm. And no one wants that.
That was far too rational.
If your hoping that trolling jsbm is going to upset them your wasting your time.
@JS - Our "Top D" consisted of Gilbert, Smid, and Whitney at the start of the year. While I'd admit NOBODY saw Petry coming, the rest were/are far from ready for prime time. The reason we've been in alot of games so far is because Renney has adopted Krueger's Swiss strategy, which employs the entire team in a defensive role to cover for a severe lack of D strength.
Sutton is a coke machine and Barker? Well I don't know what the shit is with that guy. Besides, they're irrelevant to any discussion regarding "NHL quality" D-man anyways. My thought is the team figured this was another "development" (read: tanking) year, and filled up empty spots just to ice a team (everybody around these parts knows how I feel about tanking so I won't go down that shit-laden road again).
But somewhere along the way RNH got way better than anybody thought he'd be for a rookie and Eberle starts ripping it up. Hall keeps on doing the "Hulk Smash" thing and Potter and Petry end up being legit.
If we were serious about competing this year, we should have anticipated some level of injury on the back end and bought a legit D-man over the summer. Failing that, when it became apparent the team was better than they thought and Barker went out, heaven and earth should have been made to acquire somebody for the top four on the back end.
We haven't done either. And I don't get it.
^ Aw crap. "Heaven and earth should have been moved to acquire..."
Also, by "competing" I mean legitimately trying to make the playoffs (versus the typical Oiler fan "Playing in the Stanley Cup Finals").
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